11/10/08

Permalink 12:43:43 pm, Categories: Civil Liberties, Politics

Hope

Glenn Greenwald:

As the Bush administration comes to a close… Just consider – with no hyperbole – what our Government, our country, has done. We systematically tortured people in our custody using techniques approved at the highest levels, many of whom died as a result. We created secret prisons – “black site” gulags – beyond the reach of international monitoring groups. We abducted and imprisoned even U.S. citizens and legal residents without any trial, holding them incommunicado and without even the right to access lawyers for years, while we tortured them to the point of insanity. We disappeared innocent people off the streets, sent them to countries where we knew they’d be tortured, and then closed off our courts to them once it was clear they had done nothing wrong. We adopted the very policies and techniques long considered to be the very definition of “war crimes".

Our Government turned the NSA apparatus inward – something that was never supposed to happen – spying on our conversations in secret and without warrants or oversight, all in violation of the law, and then, once revealed, acted to immunize the private-sector lawbreakers. And that’s to say nothing about the hundreds of thousands of people we killed and the millions more we displaced with a war launched on false pretense. And on and on and on.

I did not vote for Obama nor did I vote for McCain because I strongly disagree with the policies of both. Be that as it may, I’ll tell you one thing that Obama gives me that McCain wouldn’t: hope.

I’m not talking about hope that Obama will suddenly fix all of our nations problems or hope that he will change our economy, education, and health care for the better. I’m talking about hope that he will undo some of the things mentioned above by Greenwald. Some of them are changes that Obama can begin to enact as soon as he takes office. Shut down the secret prisons. End spying on and detention of our own citizens. Create iron-clad policy against the usage of torture. Begin to restore a level of trust in the office of President of the United States of America.

It may be unlikely that President Obama will fulfill these hopes, but they stand a much better chance under Obama than they would under McCain.

UPDATE

This is a good sign (emphasis added):

President-elect Obama’s advisers are quietly crafting a proposal to ship dozens, if not hundreds, of imprisoned terrorism suspects to the United States to face criminal trials, a plan that would make good on his promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison …

Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor and Obama legal adviser, said discussions about plans for Guantanamo had been “theoretical” before the election but would quickly become very focused because closing the prison is a top priority. Bringing the detainees to the United States will be controversial, he said, but could be accomplished.

“I think the answer is going to be, they can be as securely guarded on U.S. soil as anywhere else,” Tribe said. “We can’t put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there.

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Comment from: Alison
You will probably never "speak" to me again BUT here goes...
After watching what they've done to our people (9/11 and the fellow who got his head sliced off with a KNIFE!!!, to name a couple) I hold little hope that being nice and trying to talk to these people will make things better.
I debated giving this opinion because now I know you will cut my head off with your words. (I do have feelings, you know) I'll just have to remember that communication via internet can so easily be misconstrued.
PermalinkPermalink 11/11/08 @ 11:14
Comment from: Dustin Sullivan
If someone was involved in 9/11 or in slicing someone's head off with a knife, let's try and convict them. Allow justice to be served. We have no right to detain and/or torture whomever we like for years on end.

We should not treat people the way Khalid El-Masri and Maher Arar were treated.
PermalinkPermalink 11/12/08 @ 09:57
Comment from: Alison
The words "try and convict them" and "justice be served" speak volumes to me. I think you have a more grace-full perspective and you're more trusting than I of the nature of humans.
PermalinkPermalink 11/12/08 @ 19:36
Comment from: Dustin Sullivan
I'm not sure I understand your logic. Let me see if I get this right:

You don't trust people, but you trust the government to detain (and maybe torture) the "bad guys" without having to prove that they actually are bad guys.

Is that what you are saying?
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/08 @ 06:46
Comment from: Alison
I don't trust the justice system (lawyers) to try and convict them. Consider O.J. Simpson. If you don't believe he murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman then you are more naive than I already think you are. I am stating that gently, not angrily.
I don't believe the detainees were randomly picked up just so Geo. Bush and our military could look powerful to the rest of the world.
I believe they are on a mission from Allah, if you will, and don't consider the law of ANY land to be binding in their quest for jihad. It's all about their interpretation of the koran and their destiny to fulfill the will of Allah.
As you yourself have seen in the churches of Christ there is no reasoning with some people where their convictions are concerned.
My question to you is, if they should be found not guilty, what kind of reparation should we give them?
PermalinkPermalink 11/13/08 @ 19:20
Comment from: Mike Sullivan
Just thank God, President Bush, and the US Military that you can still believe and state whatever you want in this free country. Please note that there has not been ONE terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11. This will all change under an Obama presidency. He will weaken our defenses and he has already clamped down on people that do not agree with him. He is a narcissistic, socialistic, Marxist! Mark it down, this country will be WAY worse off within 2 years of the Democrats running this country.
PermalinkPermalink 11/14/08 @ 15:42
Comment from: Alison
Geo. Bush has been a disappointment in many ways.
But I think the reason these leaders fall so far short in our estimation is because we've been led to think of them as president/ fixer-of-my-problems. Somewhere in my past I recall the president is to be the commander in chief and the job of he and the government is to keep us safe- to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness- from foreign aggression.
I think politicians being mostly lawyers, and no term limits for the House and Senate are the root of a lot of evil in this society.
PermalinkPermalink 11/16/08 @ 17:20
Comment from: Alison
Are your ears burning?
;)
PermalinkPermalink 11/18/08 @ 16:02
Comment from: Dustin Sullivan
I am just waiting for a chance to take some time and properly address your comments. Sorry it's taking so long...I will reply.
PermalinkPermalink 11/18/08 @ 21:55
Comment from: Alison
I was referring to Dusty's blog. ;)
PermalinkPermalink 11/19/08 @ 13:00
Comment from: Alison
You don't have to reply to my comments on this blog. You've stated your case--- I've had my say... Let's just move on to something new! I'm happy in my ignorance.
PermalinkPermalink 11/24/08 @ 19:46
Comment from: Alison
Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
PermalinkPermalink 11/24/08 @ 19:47

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